Is that difficult to understand June 4th incident?

It is ridiculous that many "famous" peole try to blur the June 4th incident so as to protect their own interest (from Mainland). In the end, facts are the facts. No matter the students and public gathering in Tiananmen square were right or wrong, the military control, killing the armless with guns and tanks were the FACTS which can never be changed!

Same as many people in HK, I have witnessed the killings on TV. Admit it or not, it is true and it is the facts I can never forget. Truth will not get blurry by time...

潘小濤﹕「六四」真相那麼難明嗎？

(明報)2009年6月10日星期三 05:05

【明報專訊】近日，部分曾積極支持八九民運的知名人士，包括前民建聯立法會議員程介南、勞聯前立法會議員李啟明、資深校長戴希立等，被問及是否支持平反六四時，均拒絕表態支持，李啟明更說現時真相仍不清晰，難下定論。原以為這是簡單得像「阿媽是不是女人」的問題，為何20年後竟變成「真相未明、難下定論」呢？

那麼，我先把事件真相寫出來。1989年6月3日晚10時許，20多萬全副武裝的解放軍，在坦克開路下，從四方八面殺向天安門廣場。由於軍隊接到死命令，必須在6月4日清晨趕到廣場清場，因此軍人沿途開槍，其中，從城西的木樨地、五棵松推進的第三十八軍最兇殘，在復興門、長安街等大開殺戒，坦克也輾死輾傷不少學生及平民。

在槍聲及坦克履帶下，一場中國近代史上最大規模、波及範圍最廣的波瀾壯闊民主運動，持續51天後，戛然而止。

是非對錯不是一目了然嗎？

傷亡人數呢？民間估計，有800至3000人遇難，而天安門母親、在血案中痛失愛子的丁子霖教授，蒐集到186人死亡名單，當中的人民大學學生程仁興，在天安門廣場被士兵槍殺。中國官方曾公布，241人死亡（包括士兵），7000多人受傷；而資深新華社記者張萬舒援引當時中國紅十字會黨組書記譚雲鶴說，死亡727人，其中學生平民713人，官兵14人。

還有什麼真相未明呢？說這些話的人，不是語焉不詳，就是說學生領袖也有錯，錯過了避免流血的時機，又或事涉中共內部鬥爭。我倒想問一下，當日軍攻破南京前，中國守軍最高長官唐生智率先棄城逃跑，群龍無首的中國軍隊，不是投降被殺，就是逃生時互相踐踏而死。毋庸置疑，唐生智是失職的懦夫，罪該萬死，但唐生智棄城丟兵，能減輕日軍在南京屠城的罪孽嗎？即使像日本右翼所說，南京沒死一個中國人，但會改變日軍侵華的性質嗎？

同理，無論北京的學生及其領袖是否有錯，無論是否如官方所說只死了200多人，出動幾十萬野戰軍槍殺手無寸鐵的平民，是非對錯，不是一目了然嗎？所謂真相未明，或許只是他們的眼睛和良心，被利益蒙蔽而已。20周年，他們對慘案由原來的黑白分明，說成模糊不清；再過20年，會否倒退到顛倒黑白呢？

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June 05

「薪火相傳、接好民主棒」

Hongkongers are seens as "materialistic" and very distant from any political issues. We don't care about any politics and honestly we cannot change anything even we do care. Then what can we do is to focus on our own wellingness... working hard and earn more to secure our life in our own way and of cos enjoy the life with what we earned.

This is the 20th year of the June 4th incident.

Each year since 1990, the Alliance in Support of Democratic Movements in China have organised candlelight vigils there in memory of June 4th incident. Every year, tens of thousands of participants with candles fill several football pitches, to remember those who lost their lives and to demand vindication for those who sufferred persecution.

This is the 20th year of the June 4th incident and it is so touching to see so many hongkong people participated in the June 4th candlelight vigils last night. The weahter in this week is not good but it was excellent yesterday even the weather forecast said it will have heavy rain! I am so proud to see so many people joining the event and I am so proud that HK can still be the only place of China to organize this event.

I was there and it was just waves and waves of people...

On the way, there were also people organizing signing to speak out that our SAR head Donald Tsang is NOT representing us! he is not elected by HK people so he canNOT say anything on behalf of us!

We can hardly get inside. The organizer said there were 150,000 people joined and this is the highest record of this candlelight vigil. All the grassland, football and bastketball courts are filled with people.

Althought it was very crowded and hot, people also brought their kids because they believe that we have to let our next generations know the truth. We have to keep demanding the China gov't admit what they have done, release those still kept in jail/ home arrest and move towards the real democracy!!

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